Jan 27, 2013 11:00am EST
biden told our colleague, deploria borger, this week about -- gloria borger, this week about running. >> i haven't made that judgment and hillary hasn't made that judgment but i can tell you what. everything that should be done over the next two years that i should be part of would have to be done whether i run or i don't run. chris: is that what he's like when you grab him at the white house and get ahead of him and talk -- >> that's who he is. the fact of the matter is he wants to run. he's right about this from what i understand in my reporting and knows beating hillary in a primary is near impossible and he's not going to drag out and have this big long primary fight. if hillary decides to run he'll look at it for a while and quietly back out. chris: how do you know that? >> just various people i talk to on this. he's clear eyed. yes, he wants to run but he knows beating her might be near impossible. if not absolutely impossible. chris: not the old fight between gene mccarthy and bobby kennedy. >> they will not both stay in it. >> and here's the other thing. hillary may not run.